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It wasn't quite two years ago that i was drilling holes in a lamborghini to fix it. It's making noise. It's changing. Gears now welcome to hooves garage, the dumbest automotive channel in all of youtube, and this is my 1970 plymouth super bird.
It is a real super bird, hence the reinforcements for this big wing here and it is actually a hemi super bird but because it was raced and then wrecked t-boned in the 70s, it's listed in the super birch registry as a partial re-body, and that's why i Was able to get it so cheap, but i also got it cheap because well there were a lot of issues, a lot of undisclosed issues, so when it showed up, i was quite shocked and disappointed, even though it is in great condition. But the final lingering issue is overheating and i'm told maybe a dino tune will fix it. So that's what we're doing today, this car does not have the original 426 hemi. Even though it's a hemisphere, it now has a a big 528.
You know performance racing hemi, and so it should put out a lot of power we'll find that out as well, but it is freezing cold in this wing. Well, it's cold as well. Let's, let's go so normally when you rest a mod, a car like this you're doing it to make it more livable faster. But in this case oh, it is faster.
It's not more livable, most certainly uh and well. The issues it had with the mods were numerous. So, let's get started anyway. Let's get started here, come on, you can start there.
We go so it showed up with a coilover suspension version. These are normally torsion bars from the factory back in 1970. that was pretty ruined. It had a different stance when it was built and then the previous owner wanted to make it look more.
The turning race is terrible. I mean my neighbors launched. I wanted to make it look more normal, but then the shocks were maxed out. So you had no suspension whatsoever just bounced around it had some leaks which weren't a big deal and then there's this enormously loud vacuum pump that there's actually two of them which the car was fixed.
The car wizard has fixed all the issues with this car and there were numerous ones gauges that weren't hooked up at all, like the speedometer, wasn't working a lot of the gauges, just weren't, there's no wires going to them, so he's fixed. All of that, but the overheating issue remains and they're thinking it may be because of the tune. I don't know this very well, maybe uh, it's too lean or something like that. He wanted me to check the tune, which is what we're going to do today.
We're going today, polk at bulk performance using car track at the very beginning with the sports cars, and hopefully you figure this out. The good news is being arrested. Mod has a modern, fast x computer in here, so he's able to play with this thing pretty easily fingers crossed. Will this be is well, let's get us to the finish line, i'm also kind of curious what this thing puts out in the dyno, because it is mighty fast when it's not creeping up the tips, she's dancing with the devil there come on, come on pop down. You it's always seem to live at about 2. 20. 2. 30., the top end of whatever they say normal.
Is it's creeping down now? Just i don't know i'm here with dave polk at polk performance and he's not wasting any time in the shop. You already see something you don't like right thanks so much yes, sir uh, so as i know, tyler says we got an overheating problem going on here and we kind of noticed that the clothes there's a radiator, the back of the radiator, has an aluminum close-up panel. Just to mount the fans allowing a lot of opportunity for airflow through there, so we're going to take that off and strategically drill some holes there to make it look nice but allow some airflow through there and hopefully get this thing running a little bit cooler. Okay, then we'll uh we'll also go verify the tune, make sure we don't have ignition timing out of whack, where your part throttle cruise is at and creating some heat.
Well, you build a lot of fast cars. Tuning you've been a lot of race cars in your day and that's not for go. That's really for show right there. Isn't it that's correct it uh it's uh, not effective for uh, for keeping it cool right now, so we're gon na modify that and then we'll go for, drive and see what we get yeah.
Have you worked with these engines before i have? I have you like them yeah, i love them, especially this one being a 528 cubic inch got a lot of opportunity for tire spin there. Well, hopefully, we can find some more power. It dies like a little bit when i shut it off too, so it has. There's little things that are off you know, yeah, i suspect, there's a few things off in the tune there uh, as well as since it's running super hot uh, shutting it down when it's hot.
It's it's not liking that so i think we'll go through the tune. Once we get it running, cool, okay, well, i've come to the right place. You know, i didn't even think about it. I mean it is kind of obvious that a radiator is not going to flow the big metal panel on it, yeah that it's they i mean it looks nice and it's it's certainly effective for mounting the fans, but the radiator needs to have all the airflow.
We can get through for this big 528 freedom. Look at that! Look at all that radiator! We got that's uh yeah! Let's see that that's like uh, 50 blockage. Yes well, yeah the plate. The vehicle was built, for you, know airflow and low drag, so it overheated when it was new too because of that stuff.
So yeah since day, one right, but we have a much larger radiator than i think the factory plus it's aluminum radiator. So i think, we'll start here and see what this gets us. It wasn't quite two years ago that i was drilling holes in a lamborghini to fix it now, with their own little plinko, discus hot hot. It's funny how holes just seem to follow me in life, but if this works along with a little tweak on the tune, oh i'll, be a happy man and i have a new currency here. We have a superbird coin, so the first five people to buy a super bird shirt i'll have a signed super bird coin. For you, i guess well that's gorgeous, but there may be some room to do like what you were talking about a box to make it go out a little bit an inch, so the air can actually flow uh. It's very close in the fan on that side, but you were saying we could move it lower right, correct move this right hand, one down low and the driver's side up and then they're kind of offset that way we get all the cores getting some airflow through Them from the fans and then uh just make a whole new bracket to where we're not reducing the air flow. There's several opportunities to even improve what we've done here so far, but it's going to make the bracket holding the fans pretty tense.
Well, fingers crossed there, but now we spent the better part of an hour just trying to find the uh the port to be able to plug in your computer and tune this thing. We can't find it it's it's hidden somewhere, very well, it's hidden somewhere in this spaghetti, spider web. Here's, here's the tune box here and it's yeah you're, not gon na find it. It's definitely scary uh.
You were able to take this apart and you got the model number off the back to where you can get some help, maybe from fast, but it was also put it in 2007 or that's when it was purchased. So it's pretty darn old. The other option is just to send it to somebody and start over with the wiring, which man is it it's ugly. It's agreed, i think, there's a lot of uh wiring here that could become intermittent on us, real, quick and cause a lot of issues.
Well, should we take it for a spin, though see, if there's any improvement, i i know it needs a tune, but maybe it's not getting hot yeah, i'm hoping that we've increased the airflow enough to where it's at least going to be better than we were, and Then uh see what we get this every part of this car has been like this well, it appears he's not dancing with the devil anymore. Yes, sir, i think we made some headway here and that's after a long drive too. So it's never crept anywhere close to where it was we're on our way over so definitely an improvement, but i think it still needs a tune. I've been doing some weird stuff yep.
I think we need to get in there and dial in the tune a little bit, and i think it's got it'll make some additional power or drivability will be better all right. Well, progress, there's something good they're one step forward. You know maybe about eight steps back in the wiring, but you know whatever left idling for a while and yeah she's creeping up. Unfortunately, and there there we go now, it shut up a little delay there, the dieseling uh, but with your gun there on the thermostat, it was showing.
Oh, you know 15 20 degrees cooler than what's on the gauge consistently right there, where the temp sensor is at on. It was 15 degrees, cooler right there, so it is popping up and creeping up still at idle, but i think the uh the holes definitely helped when we're moving, but maybe you need a little more huh. I think so. It wouldn't hurt that way. In the hot summer you know it's going to maintain temperature in you know in town and things so, and then we may have some opportunities to cool down some with the tune as well. Okay, we may have the timing for real far at idle or something, and it adds some extra heat that we don't need so we'll see what we can do in there as well all right. Well, hopefully, you can figure out my antique system or or i'm redoing it, but progress, good progress. Thank you so much.
I appreciate it absolutely. Thank you. We learned a lot about this car. It's a blast, it's quite a bit of bad but yeah.
It's still it's! It's bad in a good way and bad in a bad way. It's got a lot of bad going on. It's got lots of torque and power 528, something else. Well, it's been a few days since the complete fail at tuning and, unfortunately, the more i drive.
This thing, the more i know that it needs a tune now that i don't have to worry about it, overheating as much the car is just so so far off and, unfortunately, dave pulk at pulled performance who was helping me with the car he's been on hold With fast for hours and then had to give up because he has a normal day, job like most people, so he's not getting the support from fast to figure out the wiring diagrams to dive in there and either make a new plug which wires to use. That kind of stuff, so i may end up having to redo and rewire this car because we can't tune it because of the old box. So if you work for fast or know somebody that works at fast - and you want to help us - please reach out otherwise we're just going to have to put something else in here, but i think the theme of this car is all show and no go. It was built over 10 years ago with a lot of things, just not done right, but on the surface it looks really really good.
It has a beautiful body, a beautiful restored nice paint, car of a real hemi super bird that was resto modded, which is a weird decision, but then the execution of it as far as the wiring as far as all the finishing well, it was just kind of Slapped together, the coilover suspension kind of just slapped together something really cool to do on a resto mod, but this one well, it wasn't done very well or done right, which we sort of worked through on that. So then, this car passes through the hands of several owners that don't sort through the issues either because number one they just don't drive the car. They just want to look at it. It looks pretty.
That's it or number two, they didn't know how or they didn't want to, and one i'm thinking, maybe the latter, because there is the cord for the toon box on this car. It was sitting on the floor underneath the floor. Mat it looked like it was freshly purchased where they were probably trying to do the same thing and either they found the cord and we're just completely missing it, because we're idiots, which i doubt that i've been looking for over an hour in this car or they Had the same problem couldn't fix it and then they just kicked it down the road to someone else that someone else may have been the next owner. It may have been me, i don't know, but all show no go still. I can't complain that much because it is a real hemi superbird. I've always wanted one. It was the cheapest one in the usa, probably the cheapest one to sell. Until the end of time, i mean that one at barrett-jackson set a record for 990 000 for the nicest surviving example of a hemi superbird.
Obviously this one was way less, but i buy the cars i want to drive them. I want to enjoy them. I want to experience them most of the time a lot of these sit, but i want to get them to the point where i can enjoy them and not just have them be decoration. I want to be able to take them down and drive them whenever i want and we're going to get there with this superbird eventually, eventually, it's just going to take a while.
It's a muscle, car, it's nuts and bolts and things please thank you for watching. Don't forget who's birch super bird coins for a few of you, if you buy a super, bear t-shirt. Thank you. Look at this you're better than this.
Pin the model number of your Fast unit in the comments. At least someone might find the diagram for you.
hoovie: you need to post up what info you have located in that FAST box; the Weaponized Autism that is the internet will solve the problem… FAST. ๐
If you add little hinged flaps instead of cutting holes it allows for both maximum airflow at speed and optimal airflow through the fans, which is why the shroud is there…
Use some 1/2 inch standoff's between the aluminum plate and the radiator. Relieve some back pressure/ more flow.
Reach out to Haltech or Holley, they will both be happy to have their systems in a real superbird!
no talk about the behavior of the fans. why not wire them to just stay on? wouldn't cause issue if you have a thermostat.
Doesn't radiator size and enough cooling fans fix the problem? A duct feeding fresh air into the front should fix any cooling issue after that.
I would have just mounted the fans directly to the radiator with some plastic ties.
It's a real shame. As you dig deeper and deeper into that car it's pretty apparent it was built largely for aesthetic and barely for function.
called it months ago about that eBay looking radiator assembly. not enough CFM fans and/or to much blockage. We put blockers on diesels in winter to keep temps up…
save yourself the time, rewire with a Haltec or Holley ecu; you'll probably be much happier!
The radiator needs to be sealed against the radiator support and ducting panels made to span from the lower grill opening to the radiator face. It is really no surprise the car is still overheating at idle after the holes being drilled. Those only offer benefit in motion. Ideally those holes should have flaps on them that can seal when the fans create negative pressure in that space but allow flow in motion/at higher road speed. This is really not super complicated to be honest.
Dude!….You got screwed, dewed, and tattooed as we said back in the 1970s. That may be the best-looking Detroit Iron money pit I've seen to date. I really think you would be better off, assuming you plan on keeping the car long term, shipping it to one of the better-known restoration shops and having it returned to its original setup.
Why did you pay so much for this POC with so many issue ? Would you like to buy the Brooklyn Bridge ?
I am scared to watch this vid to know what is done since cutting should be last resort.
I can see a lip on that aluminum shroud…I wouldn't think that was blocking air flow? If anything just need more powerful fans to pull more air through the radiator?